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Post by Halo on May 19, 2005 20:44:27 GMT -5
  ;D
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Post by Bastardometer on May 19, 2005 20:46:42 GMT -5
Jeeeeesuuuuuus
Fine , I'll stop
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Post by Halo on May 19, 2005 20:48:03 GMT -5
;D
How about we call a truce?
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Post by Bastardometer on May 19, 2005 20:58:21 GMT -5
;D How about we call a truce? Nope. No truce. You win |
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Post by Nessie on May 19, 2005 20:59:53 GMT -5
LMAO... I would wonder how this "fight" moves on  |
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Post by Nessie on May 19, 2005 21:02:44 GMT -5
aaaawww bastard...don't be so moldy....I just went to get me some popcorn to watch this fight and now you just give it up....tztzttztz really disappointing  |
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Post by voiceofgod on May 20, 2005 7:22:40 GMT -5
 eat it fuckers. hahahahaha |
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Post by lachrymology is the way on May 20, 2005 10:49:08 GMT -5
fully agree with u caleb... it was me who started the disscusion... not to offend any one... i always just thought that Tool was better... having seen how they developed and all.. but ur rite...
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Kaleb
Budding MJK Fan
Neo annus, vegge vitae
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Post by Kaleb on May 20, 2005 11:36:22 GMT -5
Je... thanks, i guess =)
I'm guessing you prefer Tool for your own reasons and in a certain way I kinda see why you say that. Right now, frankly, I don't prefer either one. A year ago I may have said APC, but right now (and I this may be another topic for another whole thread) I see MJK in both of them and see them as two different paintings from the same author (lyrically speaking, I musn't forget that there are other people in the band which are responsible, as much as MJK is, for the beautifuly orchestrated songs in both of these bands)... but... (a big but)... I see the same MJK in both of them. Yeah, maybe different faces, but the same essence of him.
I'm an only child (like MJK) so I can identify the need to have different personalities inside of oneself to keep company... and not schizofrenia, or stuff like that... just, you know, talking to oneself, having different opinions towards a topic and having two entities inside discussing about it each having it's own opinion. It comes in handy when I want to see the point of view of another person, to understand it... how ironic! Being an only child in some way gave me an opportunity to understand other people. Anyway, this is also comes in handy when I want to make a song about a certain topic that is alienated to me, like MJK with the whole substance abuse issue: he had friends that went through this so it was easy for him to understand it being the empathetic person that he is. My point being (damn, i do digress like crazy) that when I saw the same person behind any APC or Tool song, I couldn't split them as two different bands (by lack of a better word) just two different sides of a very thick coin.
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Post by Halo on May 20, 2005 17:48:46 GMT -5
I see MJK in both of them and see them as two different paintings from the same author (lyrically speaking) Well, there is no way we are not going to see the same MJK in both bands. But "lyrically speaking" I see a totally different MJK. I think the lyrics from APC are almost polar opposites of Tool lyrics. I see a completey different side of MJK with APC lyrics. being the empathetic person that he is. Are you sure about this statement? (Hahaha.  ) I'm kidding, but it does tend to drive me nuts when people assume through an artists music (or even interviews) that they know what that person is really like. I've said it before, but I think it can be repeated....I've worked with enough bands to know, you cannot know what a person is like simply through their music. Some would completely surprise you. And I'm not trying to slam anyone or suggest that your statement may not be true. It may and it may not be. But I do wish people would change their statements such as yours, to say, "being the empathetic person that I think he might be." I have a real problem with people assuming they know what an artist is like in their private life. (I apologize for my rant, this is just something that kinda bugs me. No offense to you.) My point being (damn, i do digress like crazy) that when I saw the same person behind any APC or Tool song, I couldn't split them as two different bands (by lack of a better word) just two different sides of a very thick coin. I don't see that at all. I see them as two entirely different bands. Different sound, different mood, different tone, everything.....except the fact that they have the same lead singer. But to me, they are completely different and not even two sides of the same coin (no matter how thick). I think in each band we even see a completely different side to MJK. The concerts cannot even be looked at as two sides of a coin. Tool is much more elaborate and focuses a lot on the "show" (with great music, of course). It's more of an experience. Where I see APC as going to see a "band" and relying more on and focusing more on simply the music rather than the theatrics being a big part of the focus. |
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Post by moneyisevil on May 20, 2005 19:12:44 GMT -5
Tool makes me think
APC makes me feel
I love both,.....
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Post by Halo on May 20, 2005 20:37:29 GMT -5
I don't want to win. At least not that easily. Wanna wrestle for the victory? |
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Post by Bastardometer on May 20, 2005 22:27:49 GMT -5
Art by definition is something created from human design, rather than by nature itself. And within the many shapes and forms of personal expression that art encompasses as a whole, music is by far the most commercially recognised. Music, like any particular aspect of art, is open to interpretation, and very much valued and judged purely in the eyes of the beholder.
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Post by Halo on May 20, 2005 22:57:28 GMT -5
is open to interpretation, and very much valued and judged purely in the eyes of the beholder. Exactly! So there can be no "winner" in this type of debate, it can only be a truce.  |
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Post by Bastardometer on May 20, 2005 23:00:44 GMT -5
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) I'm kidding, but it does tend to drive me nuts when people assume through an artists music (or even interviews) that they know what that person is really like. I've said it before, but I think it can be repeated....I've worked with enough bands to know, you cannot know what a person is like simply through their music. Some would completely surprise you. And I'm not trying to slam anyone or suggest that your statement may not be true. It may and it may not be. But I do wish people would change their statements such as yours, to say, "being the empathetic person that I think he might be." I have a real problem with people assuming they know what an artist is like in their private life. (I apologize for my rant, this is just something that kinda bugs me. No offense to you.)
