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Post by fairyblood on Apr 30, 2005 19:00:52 GMT -5
-Opiate -Prison Sex -Sober -aenima -Third Eye -Lateralus -Disgustipated ( These are the cries of the carrots, the cries of the carrots! )
And there are more but if I were to type anymore It'd be kinda over doing it. ^_^
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Post by Demonic) 66Ty6 (Darkness on Jun 6, 2005 8:23:31 GMT -5
Opiate - Part of me *grovyest fucking song * Undertow - Flood AEnima - H / 46&2 Lateralus - The Grudge / Parabol - Parabola
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Post by CarlJung on Jun 8, 2005 1:58:29 GMT -5
Hey how are you? Im good. Earlier tonight my friend and I went out and had a few drinks. We were pretty drunk. We were talking about. The american society and how it is pretty fucked up. We were discussing how the government has control of everything. How it is slowly taking our liberties away. How it is becoming a dictatorship. It grew into a four hour long conversation. It was awsome. During the discussion I wanted to change the world, I was pumped. Then reality kicked in and all hope was lost. Slowly hope was lost. We relized that people can't be enthused or changed in any simple way. They need to see someone smacked in the head with a bullet, or see someone with a bomb strapped on them. The only way this society is going to move in the right direction is if something drastic or devastating happens. I am not ingnorant enough to think 9/11 wasnt drastic, but it wasnt enough. Fucking Bush had to use that fear shit on us to hold us down. The people need to rise up and make some changes. As we were discussing this I thought of the song reflection. I think the song has alot to do with that. Coming together. "To leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical And you will come to find that we are all one mind Just let the light touch you and let the words spill thorough Just let them pass right through, bringing out our hope and reason. before I pine away." Until then I just thought the song was awsome, but now I think of it as a message. He is either telling us to do this or he is hoping it will happen. Either way I love the song a hell of alot more. Now if all of you already knew this, go you. But i just figured it out. Just thought I would share that. Keep in Mind I have drinking. Am I looking too deep or what? Give me some feedback
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Post by Halo on Jun 8, 2005 22:44:03 GMT -5
Hey Carl! Good to see you.
You could have made a thread about people's interpretations of "Reflection" if you wanted instead of a post here. More people would see it that way.
If others want to join in on with their intrepretations, I may just go ahead and make a thread and have the conversation moved there.
But....I will let you know my thoughts for now.
The first part of your post I want to reply to first. I cannot stress enough getting involved. We talk of how society won't change. But we can't just say that and then sit back and do nothing. If every person that thinks things will not change would simply get involved, we'd see change. I set up a "resources" page here for all the info anyone needs to contact any level of government, including their local politicians. There is also sites there that you can go to and keep an eye on things that are/aren't being done, bills that are being voted on, etc., so that you can get involved and make your voice count.
As for "Reflection". I have always looked at that song as about learning to be a better person, becoming more aware of all that is around us instead of just ourselves. About us all being connected and learning that before we lose touch with everything and just fall in to our own "egos". About having hope that we can learn to take care of each other and be aware that we are all connected. Learning that life is not just about "me", it is about "us".
Probably not even close to the real intentions of the song, but that's the way I feel it.
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Post by CarlJung on Jun 8, 2005 23:03:54 GMT -5
Like you said that is what is so great about music. Being able to interpret it how ever you want. Im sure your thought on the song is closer than mine. Oh well I had a drunk thought. I love those. I got no problem with you moving it. I hope others respond.
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Post by Bastardometer on Jun 8, 2005 23:06:50 GMT -5
After the euphoria and energy of Lateralus, and the relaxed ease of Disposition, Reflec-tion has a troubled, almost frustrated begin-ning. The writer finds himself in a place or time without much progress in spite of all his efforts to find something more. He is still here, still normal, still very much imperfect and unenlightened. The feeling sorry and pathetic, even exhausted – a come-down after the efforts of Lateralus. In the midst of his sulking however, a new hint is revealed in the moon, and it’s used here as a(nother) metaphor for self (ego) and source (spirit and / or universe).
Though I’ve made several references to Buddhist ideas here, this song is likely not inspired directly by Buddhist teaching. Its concepts are useful, however, in making the explanation. Feel free to think generally, to extend, or to reduce the interpretation to make it your own.
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Post by Halo on Jun 8, 2005 23:06:55 GMT -5
If I see others responding, I'll make a thread and move the convo over. Thanks for an interesting post, even if you were drunk.
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Post by Bastardometer on Jun 8, 2005 23:09:01 GMT -5
(Perhaps…) he has been almost as far as he thinks he can in his search. Deep within himself, he feels he can find nothing more. His explorations begin to turn up blanks and he wonders, ‘maybe this is all there is?’ Resigning himself to the thought he may have to settle with this he tries to make peace with it (think: oh well). But in his heart he is far from content – he is disappointed, frustrated, saddened and cheated. Surely there is something more? And then one night, bitter and frustrated, he sees the moon and has a revelation. You are just like me. The moon has no light of its own, merely reflecting that of the sun. The moon is comforting and may light one’s way, but it serves better as a reminder of what is on the other side of night: the sun. Without her we are nothing – cold, dead objects in space, and he begins to think, what if I’m digging in the wrong direction? What if there is no self but what I imagine. What ‘light’ am I a reflector of? So begins his journey toward the abandonment of self. The Buddhist realisation of enlightenment is achieved in a similar way, (there is also correation with the New Age no-tions of collective consciousness).
This place’ is almost certainly Western society with it’s perpetual dwelling on ego, image, hype and materialism. So make this realisation, be re-inspired, look in, out and through yourself for the answers. Side note: Oddly (it might seem), Buddhism teaches that the abandonment of self begins with inward-looking meditation.
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Post by Halo on Jun 9, 2005 8:06:32 GMT -5
DING! DING! DING! I think we have a winner here! Damn. Great post bastard! For anyone wishing to continue this converstation on interpretations of "Reflection" or any other Tool song....please go to the "Song Lyrics and Interpretations" thread I just made. Thanks!
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