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Post by Halo on Apr 19, 2005 15:44:56 GMT -5
I'm assuming everyone knows that a new pope was elected today.
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany. (Pope Benedict XVI)
He is considered "a hard-line guardian of conservative doctrine" and was described as "a conservative that divided Germans".
Not that I care about this or that he apparently "has alienated some Roman Catholics with his zeal in enforcing church orthodoxy", but I found this statement about him very interesting:
"Only someone who knows tradition is able to shape the future,”
(by Rev. Thomas Frauenlob, who heads the seminary in Traunstein where Ratzinger studied and regularly returns to visit.)
I thought that statement was ridiculous and a bit ignorant.
In my opinion, it is usually someone who goes against tradition, who has a better chance of shaping the future. And it is the men and women who went against tradition who have brought about change and helped shaped this world. Free thinkers, not people who simply followed tradition.
What's your opinion?
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Post by britany on Apr 19, 2005 19:16:02 GMT -5
Well really i think that all of the pope's are mental and can't guide anything right...for one they are wrong...so how it some one that is ignorant in religon going to shape the future i ask you......
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Post by TheAnomicSoul on Apr 19, 2005 19:25:46 GMT -5
I dont really get the point of selcting this pope. He's like 70 some years old. What's the point?
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Post by Halo on Apr 19, 2005 19:28:56 GMT -5
for one they are wrong...so how it some one that is ignorant in religon going to shape the future i ask you...... Well.....you can't really just say they are wrong Brit. I think they are wrong, you think they are wrong. But that's our opinions. I don't appreciate christians telling me flat out that I am wrong, so I don't feel it's right of me to do the same. I don't agree with them, but really there is no right or wrong. Just opinions and beliefs. As far as someone "ignorant" shaping the future.....that is not what I was questioning. What I am questioning is whether people who follow tradition or people who go against tradition are better suited for making real changes and shaping our world. I believe it to be the latter. Just for one example: Rosa Parks. She so went against tradition. She refused to accept tradition. By refusing to accept that tradition she got a Supreme Court's ruling that segregation on public transportation was unconstitutional. She changed a nation by not following tradition. |
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Post by britany on Apr 19, 2005 20:49:19 GMT -5
Well halo i'm going to have to disagree with you on " there is no right or wrong. Just opinions and beliefs" Because there is a right and by god there's a wrong and i know that for a fact and you can say well it's just an opinion but it's not and i may be young but i am really educated in things more then most people....
and i am not tring to be a butt hole
Thank you, Britany
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Post by TheAnomicSoul on Apr 19, 2005 21:12:28 GMT -5
Well I agree with Halo on this one as you know. People have opinions. Nothing is right or wrong but that is my opinion. I respect your opinion however i disagree with it.
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Post by Halo on Apr 19, 2005 21:13:56 GMT -5
I was certainly not saying you are uneducated Britany. And I don't care what your age is, your opinion is just as important as anyone else's.
I also don't think you were being a "butthead". I appreciate you speaking out and voicing your opinion. I encourage it and am glad to see you doing so. That is not being a butthole.
I would like you to expand on your belief that there is a wrong and a right and it is not just opinion and belief. (And I hope you understand we are talking about religion).
How can you say you are right and they are wrong? Can you prove that?
Religion is not anything fact-based. So how can there be a definite wrong or right? I may feel and believe I am right. But can I prove that? Absolutely not. I can not bring to the table any sort of fact whatsoever. People may say the bible is fact. But they can't prove that.
So, tell me.....how you can prove that there is a right and a wrong here.....based on facts mind you.....not opinions.
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Post by erishkigal on Apr 19, 2005 21:37:01 GMT -5
well I have to admit that that post at the top is all I know about the new Pope.
Im not sure if I like the sound of him, I thought the last one was kinda cool, I guess.
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Post by Halo on Apr 19, 2005 21:56:53 GMT -5
I think everyone is missing the point of my post. I don't care about the pope. The point was this statement: "Only someone who knows tradition is able to shape the future,”(by Rev. Thomas Frauenlob, who heads the seminary in Traunstein where Ratzinger studied and regularly returns to visit.) To reiterate what I said in my first post: I thought that statement was ridiculous and a bit ignorant. In my opinion, it is usually someone who goes against tradition, who has a better chance of shaping the future. And it is the men and women who went against tradition who have brought about change and helped shaped this world. Free thinkers, not people who simply followed tradition. What is your opinion? But also....the debate that has started over "right and wrong" is interesting and could be debated as well.  |
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Post by britany on Apr 19, 2005 22:23:33 GMT -5
Well if you can't prove your religon is right then why would you be in that religon...why woud you? i mean do you not want to know what it true...all you have to do is look... i compare other reilgons together and i think i have found one that is right, you don't have to believe me but i am just saying....and yes you can prove it but i am not going to say because it would take to long and no one could just get it like that....... thank you
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Post by Bastardometer on Apr 19, 2005 22:50:05 GMT -5
Well if you can't prove your religon is right then why would you be in that religon...why woud you? i mean do you not want to know what it true...all you have to do is look... i compare other reilgons together and i think i have found one that is right, you don't have to believe me but i am just saying....and yes you can prove it but i am not going to say because it would take to long and no one could just get it like that....... thank you Killing me  |
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Post by voiceofgod on Apr 20, 2005 11:49:52 GMT -5
I'm not Catholic and not a great judge of character, but I saw a picture of this guy on CNN and he looked out of place in the Pope outfit. Something about his eyes.... I dunno I don't like the look of him, but then again who am I to judge someone in that kind of position.
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Post by Halo on Apr 20, 2005 16:21:25 GMT -5
Oh, I'm glad I'm not the only one! I know you can't "judge a book by it's cover", but that's the first thing I noticed was those eyes......there is something about his eyes! Kinda shifty or almost evil. |
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Post by voiceofgod on Apr 20, 2005 16:25:30 GMT -5
Kinda shifty or almost evil. Very much so yes. I'm glad my mind wasn't jsut palying tricks on me. He just doesn't fit the part of a pope. He doesn't look the character. |
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Post by Nessie on Apr 20, 2005 16:43:24 GMT -5
His eyes are definitely somehow strange... BTW, I found something funny about his strange look  In Austria, there's of course a lot of discussion about the pope, because he's from our neighborhood...there's always some kind of rivalry between neighbour-countries... enjoy it! www.dreamelement.de/empirestrikesback.jpggreetzs, N. |
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