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Post by voiceofgod on Feb 11, 2005 12:16:07 GMT -5
The live version of Noose on the dvd with aMotion is an amzing video. I love how Maynard is never really shown. He is shrouded and it really effects the mode of the song. The band really shines in this one. I think they're better live then cd. I was they would put the live version of the Nurse Who Loved Me on a website. The fast rock version of that is pheonominal (sp?).
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Post by xxxxSTINKFISTxxxx on Feb 11, 2005 21:55:53 GMT -5
Ah the live version was really amazing to see. I really liked how the whole place was dim at first and towards the end you start seeing more and more. Then the maynard thing how you never really see him was also a good idea.... it could be a little disapointing if you go to that concert to see him and you dont get to lol but its stilll unusally good.
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Post by Halo on Feb 14, 2005 23:20:38 GMT -5
Then the maynard thing how you never really see him was also a good idea.... it could be a little disapointing if you go to that concert to see him and you dont get to lol but its stilll unusally good. I had a long running argument with a newspaper entertainment editor about this. We e-mailed back and forth for months and finally just called it a truce. At first my main complaint was that he called Maynard's hiding in the background simply a very good trick to actually keep the attention on Maynard. Although I agreed that the mysteriousness does pull you in, I couldn't agree that it was Maynard's (complete) reasoning for this. I believe that Maynard is being honest when he says he wants you to focus on the music and not him. And I read once that he wants to put more of a focus on the band also. I have to admit that I also know Maynard is a very intelligent man and does know that the mysteriousness, the hiding, can actually bring more attention to you. It peeks the imagination and leaves you wanting more. It is a good trick, but I don't believe it is simply a "trick" that Maynard uses to draw more attention to himself. This editor insisted it was. He felt MJK could talk about wanting you to focus on the music til he was blue in the face, but it all came down to MJK wanting the attention and knowing how to get it. Well, me and my mouth of course just couldn't let that go.  Neither one of us could make each other see the other's side, but we had a good time debating for awhile. I also argued incessantly with this editor because he was also comparing Maynard and Trent as frontmen who both use this trick of "hiding in the shadows". I agree the stage at NIN shows are usually dark, but Trent hiding in the shadows? Trent is pretty much in your face. |
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Post by voiceofgod on Feb 15, 2005 8:51:15 GMT -5
Maynard can not be compared to Reznor. Both are amazing musicians, but Maynard>Reznor anyday. And IMO Maynard does not use "tricks". The editor probably just wanted to shoot down MJK like everyone else on other boards whenever his name is mentioned. MJK doesn't need to use bullshit trick tactics, he is talented and diverse enough to be amzing on his own. I felt the hiding in the shadows, if you want to call it hiding, was to relay the message of the song. Kind of like Maynard was playing dead and singing the song from the grave. In which it adds more emphasis on "I'm more than just a little curious how you're planning to go about making your amends to the dead." But I agree with you Halo, MJK definetely not hiding. And Reznor is ALWAYS in your face. He doesn't hide. He is brutally honest and it shows in his music. That's why I love Trent and Maynard both. (But MJK more!)
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Post by Halo on Feb 15, 2005 19:44:52 GMT -5
Maynard can not be compared to Reznor. Both are amazing musicians, but Maynard>Reznor anyday. And IMO Maynard does not use "tricks". The editor probably just wanted to shoot down MJK like everyone else on other boards whenever his name is mentioned. ) No, you cannot compare Trent and Maynard. However I can't say Maynard over Reznor. It's pretty much equal for me. That's what pissed me off about this editor's review. The review on the concert was great. Loved the music, loved the show, the lighting, the set, everything. Then he has to go and be an ass about Maynard. And like you said...like everyone else on other boards when his name is mentioned. What the hell is that? I don't get it. I had to show some real restraint last night at Tool Army. Someone (once again!!) goes off on Maynard (and his personal life) when APC was mentioned. I don't care if someone blasts the music, that's their opinion. But why and when did all this bashing of Maynard as a person and his personal life (which I'm sure they know nothing about) start happening? I've laid in to so many people at TA over this. One girl was really nasty, posting all kinds of shit about Maynard as a person....making him out to be basically a completely depraved degenerate. (Even said something about not being a good father). Needless to say I had my say, and what a say I had. (And lost lots of karma over it.) But I've decided I just have to learn to ignore it. But it still puzzles me as to why all the Maynard bashing. Even when people bitch about APC....it's Maynard that they lay in to. It's always his fault for some reason. (Even though there are 4 other people in that band.) Tool fans seem to be the same way....you never, ever hear anyone bitch about Danny, Adam or Justin. But damn they go off on Maynard. IMO, unless you know the man personally and he has fucked you over in some way and happen to know for sure what kind of man he is...you have no right to say anything derogatory about his personal life. And even if you did know him and found this out.....that's still private shit and should stay that way. People have no damn respect anymore.  |
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Post by voiceofgod on Feb 16, 2005 8:35:16 GMT -5
I guess people look to Maynard to be the scapegoat b/c he's the lead singer in both bands. But it's so unfair and I get tired of defending it. I just let people run their mouths and just remember in the back of my head, that you can't be a Tool or APC fan without MJK. Without him there wouldn't be either. So really when people bad mouth MJK they are being hipocritical. How can you bad mouth something you listen to and like? Doesn't make sense to me.......
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Post by Halo on Feb 16, 2005 13:05:14 GMT -5
I don't understand it and it makes no sense to me either v.o.g. Yea, I got tired of defending it also. It seems like once you do defend him, it just makes it worse. I know when I have defended him numerous times at T.A., I would get all kinds of people bashing me for it. I gues they feel they have the right to slam MJK, but no one has a right to defend him. But you know what happens with those people that slam him.......they'd be first in line to kiss his ass if they could. They wouldn't have the balls to say what they say on these boards to his face and that's what pisses me off. |
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Post by voiceofgod on Feb 16, 2005 13:27:17 GMT -5
And if they did say it to his face, MJK would eat their asses up. You can't win any kind of argument with a guy like that. He's too smart for immature mockery. Did you hear about the site that was shut down b/c somebody bashed him and I guess the real Maynard got on and tore this kid apart. Once the word spread everybody signed on to see what MJK had to say and the site overloaded and crashed. Not sure if it really happened, heard it through the rumor mill. But oh well.
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Post by lilacJ on Feb 16, 2005 13:54:07 GMT -5
I don't understand it and it makes no sense to me either v.o.g. Yea, I got tired of defending it also. It seems like once you do defend him, it just makes it worse. I know when I have defended him numerous times at T.A., I would get all kinds of people bashing me for it. I gues they feel they have the right to slam MJK, but no one has a right to defend him. But you know what happens with those people that slam him.......they'd be first in line to kiss his ass if they could. They wouldn't have the balls to say what they say on these boards to his face and that's what pisses me off. You know what H, they are so envious of the man, and have no life.... They have tried to make it out in the REAL world, and they just can't. So they sit on their fcuking computers, hiding behind their screens and bash the shit out of anyone who is successful. They can't take the heat. I feel sorry for them. MJK is the most logical person I've ever come across. He's so true to life, especially looking at his song words and how he expresses himself, he's been to hell and back, and yet he's made it. What have they done....... fcuk all. Bunch of Plonkers if you ask me... I won't sign up for TA, and I know now that I made the right choice, and my assumtions were correct about that place. I know it's generalising a bit, there are some good fans out there, most of them don't have an incling of what life has to deal out. Most of them are far to young to even realise what life can offer and take in seconds. Makes me mad......  |
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Post by voiceofgod on Feb 16, 2005 14:03:27 GMT -5
rah rah lilac!!!
and most are too young to even understand the music and it's AMAZING meaning anyways. you know what they say, bad karma goes around. let them sit there and talk smack, it always comes back 10 fold. besides it takes a real mature person to belittle another doesn't it(extreme sarcasm)??
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Post by Halo on Feb 16, 2005 21:27:28 GMT -5
Oh lilac!
I didn't mean to turn you off of T.A. Tool Army is just like any other place. You have your asses and your decent people. I think just because it is unmoderated, you do get more shit, because the people know no one is going to do anything about it.
But don't let me change your mind if you were thinking about joining.
Just for me, right now, I'm a little discouraged with the place. I don't mean to turn anyone else away from there.
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Post by lilacJ on Feb 18, 2005 18:51:18 GMT -5
H, that's okay, you didn't discourage me. I knew there was a reason for me not spending the $$ to go on there and have a bunch of Yobs go at me cause I absolutely adore MJK, and have their opinions about how the world should be shoved down my throat, and the fact remains that they sit there and accuse everyone else for shit that they don't want to deal with themselves. I'd sit and read most of the stuff anyway. Like I do on APC.net. So I'd rather spend my valuable time here with all you lovely folk, and enjoy my postings, and know that they are being read by intelligent people. ;D PS: LOVE the arse! Wish mine looked like that!  |
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Post by Nyarlathotep on Feb 18, 2005 22:31:27 GMT -5
LOVE the arse! Wish mine looked like that! That makes two of us! ;D |
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Neither one of us could make each other see the other's side, but we had a good time debating for awhile. 
