Post by Kaleb on May 22, 2005 20:19:26 GMT -5
Wow 
This changes a lot...
Uhmm... where do I start? Mmm... well:
"Good music" is an interesting concept, because for a person to say that a song is "good" it may have to have a very powerful feeling deep inside, while for another it has to be a very hard song to play. I agree with Ness that:
Interestingly enough (and very relevant to the topic that this thread has gone on into) this type of progressions proven to sound "good" is mainly the reason why a lot of bands seem to sound the same for one record to another... but this can be VERY deceiving.
Evolution is not something that you do, it happens. You don't walk up to the guitar and say "today I'll do a song different from yesterday" or "i'll do a song the same as yesterday, cuz i don't wana lose my fans". Korn itself said it: "the way we do music is we go to the studio and jam... when we hear something we like we stop and record from there". I'm not a big Korn fan myself, but I do respect their music, and have seen it progress: Johnathan has gone to other aspects of his voice capabilities, both guitarist have very different styles of playing then on their first album. I do have to admit that when I first heard Korn (or Metallica, or Ozzy Osbourne, or Tool for that matter) a lot of their songs in their own respective bands sounded alike, and duh! of course! they're made by the same people!
Tool has progressed? Yes, they have... a lot! But I still hear some of the chords, some of the same feelings, some of the same patterns that they used in their first album... I'm not saying that they're the same songs (at all!), I'm saying that they're the same band, the same people; as with any other band...
How much time have you listened to MJK? A lot I guess... would you say that his songs are alike? Of course not!
How many Korn songs have you heard? As much as MJK's? Have you put the same attention to their songs as you have to MJK's?
We are so respectful of MJK and Tool and APC, everything that they do is great. When some persons diss his work, the reaction usually is "the hell with'em"... fine... but now it seems that you're dissing the work of other people, what reaction are you expecting to have from their fans?
"The hell with you!"
Don't like it? Yeah, me neither... so before I rant about other bands not reinventing themselves, I think I'll hear more of their songs, understand their background better, their way of making music, hell, maybe even put more attention to what's going on under the hood of their songs before I say "that song's the same as that other one".
This changes a lot...
Uhmm... where do I start? Mmm... well:
Aren't there 'rules' to good music (that one can judge apart from taste)?
"Good music" is an interesting concept, because for a person to say that a song is "good" it may have to have a very powerful feeling deep inside, while for another it has to be a very hard song to play. I agree with Ness that:
There are quite a lot of psychological studies that prove that certain timbres, sequences of notes and so on are considered to sound well.
Although it is also proved that we somehow "learn" what sounds right or wrong because of what we get to hear from our very first beginning on.
Although it is also proved that we somehow "learn" what sounds right or wrong because of what we get to hear from our very first beginning on.
Interestingly enough (and very relevant to the topic that this thread has gone on into) this type of progressions proven to sound "good" is mainly the reason why a lot of bands seem to sound the same for one record to another... but this can be VERY deceiving.
Evolution is not something that you do, it happens. You don't walk up to the guitar and say "today I'll do a song different from yesterday" or "i'll do a song the same as yesterday, cuz i don't wana lose my fans". Korn itself said it: "the way we do music is we go to the studio and jam... when we hear something we like we stop and record from there". I'm not a big Korn fan myself, but I do respect their music, and have seen it progress: Johnathan has gone to other aspects of his voice capabilities, both guitarist have very different styles of playing then on their first album. I do have to admit that when I first heard Korn (or Metallica, or Ozzy Osbourne, or Tool for that matter) a lot of their songs in their own respective bands sounded alike, and duh! of course! they're made by the same people!
Tool has progressed? Yes, they have... a lot! But I still hear some of the chords, some of the same feelings, some of the same patterns that they used in their first album... I'm not saying that they're the same songs (at all!), I'm saying that they're the same band, the same people; as with any other band...
How much time have you listened to MJK? A lot I guess... would you say that his songs are alike? Of course not!
How many Korn songs have you heard? As much as MJK's? Have you put the same attention to their songs as you have to MJK's?
We are so respectful of MJK and Tool and APC, everything that they do is great. When some persons diss his work, the reaction usually is "the hell with'em"... fine... but now it seems that you're dissing the work of other people, what reaction are you expecting to have from their fans?
"The hell with you!"
Don't like it? Yeah, me neither... so before I rant about other bands not reinventing themselves, I think I'll hear more of their songs, understand their background better, their way of making music, hell, maybe even put more attention to what's going on under the hood of their songs before I say "that song's the same as that other one".
That was beautiful...
Shallow mother....!!!! [walks off, mummbling and grrr-ing. ]
