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Post by Halo on Apr 20, 2005 23:09:49 GMT -5
Whoa! Very interesting B! I especially like how this was written so that if your not a physicist you can actually understand it! Great read.....thanks B.
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Post by Bastardometer on Apr 20, 2005 23:16:19 GMT -5
Whoa! Very interesting B! I especially like how this was written so that if your not a physicist you can actually understand it! Great read.....thanks B. My pleasure
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Post by SparrowsSoliloquy on Apr 22, 2005 12:40:23 GMT -5
B! I found that to be a really great read too! Thanks for posting that! I hope others get a chance to read it as well. If it is true that these wormholes can be portals to time traveling.. then could that also mean in alternate universes? could people be living in alternate planes some how? does that make sense to anybody? It seems quite possible to me that this could be very much a possibility. I also would like to bring up the Big Bang theory..if this is true and the whole universe started by the Big Bang.. if this is what caused the creation of the whole universe.. then wouldnt that constitute the universe also being able to be destroyed or able to collapse? Im just wondering if that were to happen.. what would happen to the wormholes ?? would time be reversed? I cant really put the thoughts out clearly because this is such a deep topic ( I LOVE deep topics).. but it was just a thought.. I also found this PLEASE read it and tell me what you all think... I dont have time to write much more but will hopefully be back on this weekend.. thanks for all the replies guys, I hope you are having as much fun thinking and pondering while you are reading all these ideas as I am :)Check this out! and tell me what you think!
www.lifesci.sussex.ac.uk/home/John_Gribbin/Time_Travel.html/color]
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Post by Bastardometer on Apr 22, 2005 18:53:15 GMT -5
I'll read through it and let you know what I think Give me a few days
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Post by fairyblood on Apr 22, 2005 23:04:07 GMT -5
I think it might be kind of like that Steven King book/movie, The Langalears (I know I didn't spell that right )where they accidently go back in time and there's no one there cuz it already happened and everyone's already left that moment in time, so to speak. Um, although I doubt there would be Langalear things.
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Post by alienation on Apr 23, 2005 8:15:28 GMT -5
Caution nerd alert:
This reminds me of the Star Trek TNG episode where they get stuck in a loop of time & keep experiencing the same sequence of events over and over. So everyone on the crew was having deja vu. And guess what the name of that episode is..............Schisms!! ;D But seriously that was a good show, with good writing. It brought up lots of interesting scientific and philosophical ideas, that for the most part were at least based in the laws of reality.
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Post by SparrowsSoliloquy on Apr 23, 2005 16:57:05 GMT -5
Thanks B!.. I know it is kinda lengthy..take your time.. I look forward to hearing your response:)
fairyblood!.. I have seen the Stephen King mini movie that you are talking about... that is one of my favorite movies.. it also made me think of the shows like Twilight Zone ( which I LOVE) and the Sliders show on the Sci Fi channel:)
alienation- are you saying that some of the views on here are not based in any sort of reality..lol..jk..my dad loves Star Trek I never got into it though.. I wish I do and that episode sounds cool!
Dont have much time to write anymore but thought I would stop in and see what is going on:) talk to you all later...!- Sparrow
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Post by Halo on Apr 24, 2005 18:02:33 GMT -5
Thanks for the link sparrow. I haven't gotten through all of it, but this caught my eye and is something that I always believed why we should not attempt time travel:
"In one of the wildest developments in serious science for decades, researchers from California to Moscow have recently been investigating the possibility of time travel. They are not, as yet, building TARDIS lookalikes in their laboratories; but they have realised that according to the equations of Albert Einstein's general theory of relativity (the best theory of time and space we have), there is nothing in the laws of physics to prevent time travel. It may be extremely difficult to put into practice; but it is not impossible.
It sounds like science fiction, but it is taken so seriously by relativists that some of them have proposed that there must be a law of nature to prevent time travel and thereby prevent paradoxes arising, even though nobody has any idea how such a law would operate. The classic paradox, of course, occurs when a person travels back in time and does something to prevent their own birth -- killing their granny as a baby, in the more gruesome example, or simply making sure their parents never get together, as in Back to the Future. It goes against commonsense, say the sceptics, so there must be a law against it. This is more or less the same argument that was used to prove that space travel is impossible."
As with so many things (such as cloning) there is good and bad and the possibility (more likely probability) of abuse.
Cloning you could keep a little more control on and the outcomes of any abuse may be horrifying and just wrong. But the abuse that could be used in time travel could be devastating.
Although it would be tempting to go back in time and "right" some "wrongs", would such an act not completely throw off the "future" (the present)? Of course it would, but no one would know just what the affects would be.
Personally, I don't think screwing with the past is a good thing. Even if would be to right those wrongs.
Just for ourselves.....what if we could change our past, take away some bad things that happened? Yea, many of us would love to do that, but then we wouldn't be who we are would we? Our entire lives, our path, could be completely changed just by one little change of the past. I'd rather deal with the past then change it.
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Post by SparrowsSoliloquy on Apr 24, 2005 21:06:35 GMT -5
Hi Halo!
I have heard of that paradox and debate.. and it is quite intriguing to me.. I can see where it is coming from...I dont know if you have seen the movie The Butterfly Effect.. but that is what it reminds me of...everytime he tried to go back in time and change things.. he only made it worse... he eventually went all the way back to the womb when he was conceived and killed himself...I think time travel does bring up a lot of pardoxes..Ill have to comment on them later though..I think I have read some argument somewhere that somehow got around these pardoxes.. Ill have to locate it somewhere and post it later.. it will be interesting to hear the other side too.. but I agree with you.. if you are going to mess with the past...you are also messing with your future... been nice talking to you! have a nice night everybody! - Sparrow
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Post by SparrowsSoliloquy on Apr 25, 2005 18:28:58 GMT -5
Since we are talking about space and time travel I thought you all would be interested in reading this about Dark Energy in Space and Dark Matter.. really really facinating stuff! and thanks to my friend Lorents for sending it to me:)
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4327735/
www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4327735/
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