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USA
Feb 21, 2005 3:41:46 GMT -5
Post by lilacJ on Feb 21, 2005 3:41:46 GMT -5
I get so sick of the one-sided news reporting. This is so true Halo. I personally do not watch television, including the news. I do know what is going on in the world today, as I read about it. I do not trust the media, as they cover up so much these days. Most of it is negative resporting. There's always 3 sides to a story, One side, the other side and the truth. We never see the truth. The State covers it all up, and then honest people who try to reveal the truths get taken out, or banned from society, and you never hear of them again until enough time has passed to write about it in the history books.... by then it's too late!!
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USA
Feb 22, 2005 8:31:55 GMT -5
Post by voiceofgod on Feb 22, 2005 8:31:55 GMT -5
" I love a man who is proud of where he lives. But I love a man more if he lives to make that place proud to have him."
-Abraham Lincoln
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USA
Feb 23, 2005 21:54:12 GMT -5
Post by alienation on Feb 23, 2005 21:54:12 GMT -5
I think you really have no doubts about the real reasons we went to war, L. I don't either. I think we both know the truth and it isn't WMD's. Although you say you don't deny we have done some good but it does not offset the wrongs. I'm not sure what good we have done at all. I have a cousin who is married to a man from Iraq. Most of his family is still there. What is left of them. "We" decided the Iraqis needed our help. They did not ask for it. From what Sal says, even though they did not like Saddam, they knew what they were up against. Kinda like the devil you know is better than the devil you don't. We came in and bombed the shit out of their country, their homes. We killed countless innocent people. Yes, many of our soldies died also. We hear about them, we don't hear about the innocent Iraqis that have died. Halo, I definately wasn't referring to Iraq when I was talking about any good we have done. I was just saying that not all acts by the US government are hurtful or evil. I'm sure we have done some good, like maybe some foreign aid. (Although I may still doubt our motivations, but that may just be my pessimism.)
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USA
Feb 23, 2005 22:28:32 GMT -5
Post by Halo on Feb 23, 2005 22:28:32 GMT -5
I'm sure we have done some good, like maybe some foreign aid. (Although I may still doubt our motivations, but that may just be my pessimism.) Oh no, I don't think it is just your pessimism. I think a lot that is done by the Government, in the name of good, definitely is done with ulterior motives. As long as the good does get done, that's cool. But I don't believe too much is done by politicians strictly with compassion. There is usually something they are getting out of it. Even if it is just publicity.
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USA
Feb 25, 2005 13:04:03 GMT -5
Post by xxxxSTINKFISTxxxx on Feb 25, 2005 13:04:03 GMT -5
Personally i dont want to talk bad about our country but i dont like it IMO and if you followed up on this from the television bush has screwed way to many things up in this country. My whole family is basicaly fucked for a long long time from anything because of whats happening. Also im not trying to be racist at all i really like all people but i really wish that we wouldnt get soooooo many imigrants everday. America now has 3 or 4 diffrent languages, its not english anymore. Anyway i got to say my mind im happy now oh and ill let you know if the FBI or someone comes to my house after posting this.
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USA
Feb 25, 2005 15:27:33 GMT -5
Post by voiceofgod on Feb 25, 2005 15:27:33 GMT -5
Too late Stinkfist. The Feds are about to exterminate your whole existence. It has been nice knowing you.
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USA
Feb 26, 2005 19:55:28 GMT -5
Post by xxxxSTINKFISTxxxx on Feb 26, 2005 19:55:28 GMT -5
Lol eh what can ya do
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USA
Feb 28, 2005 16:16:33 GMT -5
Post by voiceofgod on Feb 28, 2005 16:16:33 GMT -5
As most of you know, I work for the government at a military base (sigh) and I get alot of contacts with soldiers. Just to show everyone that we are doing good things overseas. Here's a letter I received from a soldier. He reports some good things that won't ever be seen on the late night news. start*** As I head off to Baghdad for the final weeks of my stay in Iraq, I wanted to say thanks to all of you who did not believe the media. They have done a very poor job of covering everything that has happened. I am sorry I have not been able to visit all of you during my two-week leave back home. And just so you can rest at night knowing that something is happening in Iraq that is noteworthy, I thought I would pass this on to you. This is the list of things that has happened in Iraq recently:(Please share it with your friends and compare it to what your paper is producing) Over 4.5 million people have clean drinking water for the first time ever in Iraq. Over 400,000 kids have up to date immunizations. Over 1500 schools have been renovated and ridded of the weapons that were stored there so education can occur. The port of Uhm Qasar was renovated so grain can be loaded from ships faster. School attendance is up 80% from levels before the war. The country had it's first 2 billion barrel export of Oil in August. The country now recieves 2 times electrical power than it did before the war. 100% of the hospitals are open and fully staffed compared to %35 before the war. Elections are taking place in every major city and city councils are in place. Sewer and water lines are installed in every major city. Over 60,000 police are patrolling the streets. Over 100,000 Iraqi civil defense police are securing the country. Over 80,000 Iraqi soldiers are patroliing the streets along side US soldiers. Over 400,000 people have telephones for the first time ever. Students are taught field sanitation and hand washing techniques to prevent the spread of germs. An iterim constitution has been signed. Girls are allowed to atten school for the first time ever in Iraq. Text books that don't mention Saddam are in schools for the first time in 30 years. Don't believe for one second that these people don't want us there. I have met many, many people from Iraq that want us there and in a bad way. They say they will never see the freedoms we talk about and they hope they're children will. We are doing a good job in Iraq and I challenge anyone, anywhere to dispute me on these facts. So, if you happen to run into John Kerry be sure to give him my email address and send him to Denison, Iowa. This soldier will set him straight. If you are like me and very disgusted with how this period of rebuilding has been portrayed, send this to a friend and let them know there good things happening. Ray Reynolds, SFC Iowa Army National Guard 234th Signal Battalion **end That is the entire letter word for word from this guy. Please everyone try to keep an open mind to this war. Whether right or wrong, for the right reasons or negative, we are doing wonderful things for these people. Just because you don't support Bush, doesn't mean these people should go without the same freedoms we have. I am proud of our soldiers and support them 100%!!!!
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USA
Mar 9, 2005 0:53:06 GMT -5
Post by Bastardometer on Mar 9, 2005 0:53:06 GMT -5
Well I for one do not want to live in a country where a dictatorship rules my everyday life and I constantly live in fear that a terror regime will break into my home for no reason I slaughter me and my entire family. For that I am greatful to live here. I don't want to live in a country where woman can't vote and can't show any expression or personal creativity. As for Canada, a lot of the general population speaks French. France desicrated (sp?) US soldiers lives who died fighting for a cause and died to get Hitler out of their country. To me all French people or French speaking people can rot slow and horrible IMO everybody else is brainwashed by media exposure. The media puts an evil spin on everything. Bush is trying to get us there
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USA
Mar 9, 2005 10:50:34 GMT -5
Post by Halo on Mar 9, 2005 10:50:34 GMT -5
Here's a letter I received from a soldier. Did you get this letter via e-mail vog? Cuz I got this same letter in an e-mail. Seems a little odd to me that one soldier from Iowa is going to have all this information and statistics. I don't know how much is true or not, it may all be true. But it's definitely good propaganda for the war.
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USA
Mar 9, 2005 10:51:45 GMT -5
Post by Halo on Mar 9, 2005 10:51:45 GMT -5
Whoa bastard! That was a little harsh. But I did get a little giggle over it.
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USA
Mar 9, 2005 11:52:18 GMT -5
Post by voiceofgod on Mar 9, 2005 11:52:18 GMT -5
So now good news is propaganda? This soldier is probably heavily informed beacuse he is over there risking his life. He is in the shit and has helped to creat some of these good things. I deal with soldiers on a daily basis who tell me good things so don't tell me it's propaganda.
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USA
Mar 9, 2005 13:58:09 GMT -5
Post by Halo on Mar 9, 2005 13:58:09 GMT -5
I too know some soldiers. I also have a cousin who is a Colonel. I also have in-law relatives in Iraq.
All stories are not the same. What I'm saying is, not that good news is necessarily propaganda, but for one, how can we trust that info is correct and accurate and two, there is more to the story than just some good we may be doing. We've done a lot of harm also.
We need to look at both sides.
A lot of the "good" that is happening is because we created havoc over their, bombed their cities and the "good" now is that we may be helping them re-build what WE tore apart.
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USA
Mar 9, 2005 14:16:25 GMT -5
Post by voiceofgod on Mar 9, 2005 14:16:25 GMT -5
The reason I posted that was to show both sides. Everyone is always negative and judgmental about the war. Yes, we did attack and bomb it to hell, but the people were warned and it was done with the convinction of ridding the country of Saddam Huessin. And you may see it as a bad thing that we bombed them and maybe it is, but at least we are trying to fix it. It's not ok to mess things up, but it is ok to try and help. Maybe the war was rushed and things got messy, but in the end those people have more now than they have ever have. You make look at Bush as a world dominator or that he has the idea of converting everyone to the will of the US, but I see him as a believer in reason and peace.
If you want peace, you have to prepare for war. That's just common sense. From destruction breeds creation. You can't get rid of a power regime and dictator without killing it and replacing it with something good. Blowing that country apart was the foundamental stepping stone for brining it back together.
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USA
Mar 9, 2005 15:28:47 GMT -5
Post by Halo on Mar 9, 2005 15:28:47 GMT -5
Blowing that country apart was the foundamental stepping stone for brining it back together. Blowing a country apart is the way to bring it back together? Hmmmm.....is that why the terrorists blew the towers up, so we could make them better? That was nice of them. See, this is where are line of thought completely differs. Also....did the Iraqi people ask us to do this for them?
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