USA

[voiceofgod]

I know I said I wouldn't speak on it anymore, but I have to get this one out. I might even get some praise for it. I have a serious bone to pick. Not sure if it's with Bush or the army. As most of you know, I work for a military base and I just saw something that I gravely do not agree with.

A soldier had an order sending him overseas. The reason was he was getting mobilization and I quote "IN SUPPORT OF IRAQI FREEDOM". Then further down his order in much smaller letters I read "In support of the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks." Now I'm all for retaliation(sp?) but frankly I consider these two matters completely seperate and they should not be used to justify one another. This is the first time I have seen this in my year and a half here, and it just kind of bothered me a little bit.

Yes yes I know, for once I am in disagreement with something that has to do with this war. ;D

[Halo]

Okay, you wanted me to reply. I kind of kept avoiding it as I didn't want to say anything to offend you.

I just don't understand what you are upset about. You are for the war, but you just don't like the way they "labeled" it?

I don't understand what you mean when you say you don't think they should use one to justify the other.

They can try and "justify" it all they want. It still makes no sense to me.

If you are "all for retaliation"....would you rather they left out the "In Support of Iraqi Freedom" part? Or does it upset you that you want to think that that is what it is, but don't like seeing another reason thrown in?

I'm not sure what is bothering you. You are for the war, you are for retaliation, but you don't like the way they worded it?? Who cares how it's worded? It's still an unjustifiable war, IMO.

You feel it is justified, so why is the "labeling" bothering you?

[Bastardometer]

I'm in agreement with H. here that I'm not sure as to what you don't excatly agree with .
Could you elaberate more ?

[voiceofgod]

I'm just saying that they should have to seperate missions for two seperate goals. If they want to send troops "in support of the trade center attacks" and then different troops for "iraqi freedom" ok then. But the two shouldn't be combined. The way the orders were cut it was like they made it with good intentions (iraqi freedom) but then slipped in their interior motive in small print (retaliation). I just don't feel that freeing Iraqi people and bombing back the Al Queida are anywhere in the same vacinity. The orders should only read one order or the other, not both. Either free people or bomb terrorist, but don't use one to hide behind.

[alienation]

voiceofgod said:

but don't use one to hide behind.

I agree with you here VOG.

[Nessie]

I think patriotism is a major issue in America, more than anywhere else in the world.
We Europeans do have a different view on quite a lot of things. That's another reason why I love to talk to you, it's good to hear different opinions.
The Californian governor Arnold Schwarzenegger was born in the same coutry that I am from. That's really odd...he's an all-American now. But there's no wonder about that, he has been in the USA for such a long time. Nevertheless it shows that America is really a place where everything is possible! I have quite a few relatives in the USA, but I don't really like them, they are so ultra-conservative...

greetz,
N.

[alienation]

Nessie said:

America is really a place where everything is possible!

Was wondering if you could clarify what you meant here.

And thanks for posting Nessie. I've been hoping some people from other countries would give us their opinions.

[Halo]

alienation said:

I've been hoping some people from other countries would give us their opinions.

Be prepared. I got in to this with someone at TA once and boy did I get an earful of what some other countries think of us Americans. (It wasnt good)

[voiceofgod]

Halo said:

Be prepared. I got in to this with someone at TA once and boy did I get an earful of what some other countries think of us Americans. (It wasnt good)

Well they can think whatever they want, there still is no other country I would want to live in regardless. Although I heard Jamaca (sp?) is pretty laid back. hahah

[britany]

Well i have this hate for man's government i just really think they do a horable job at dealing with thing's , so i don't go for them at all and i'm never going to vote either b/c i think it is a waste of time and is useless, but that is the thoughts i have and don't juge me please.....thank you

[britany]

And just a reminder i am no hippie.....keep that in mind at all times thank you....

[Nessie]

Halo said:

Be prepared. I got in to this with someone at TA once and boy did I get an earful of what some other countries think of us Americans. (It wasnt good)

Of course other countries do have their issues about the USA, but I am not this kind of person that simply says "oh they're so stupid and they've voted for Bush again" and what not. I always try to reflect why it is the way it is, because it's so simple (and too simple) to think in stereotypes. I just am of the opinion that the USA polarizes at the moment more than ever. With what has happened the last few years with the USA involved, you cannot overlook it and say "I don't care", everyone has an opinion about it.

The media is just a big fat whore that only reports what they want - biased and full of drama. When Schwarzenegger was voted as Californian gouvenor the echo - especially in Austria - was so huge. "An Austrian guy just like us made it." This is an example - alienation - for that everything is possible. Nowhere else would it be possible that a man acts the lead role in "Terminator" and the other day (I know a little bit dramatic ;D) he becomes an important politician, although he even has not been born there! Austria was very disappointed that he joined the Republican party and with his first death sentence to sign....the list is endless.
I think that the media loves to show us only the stupid sheeps (they are in every country all over the world) and Michael Moore really intensified the anti-USA-spirit all over the world. But I think his "documentations" are very biased too. People that are critical enough will realize that we are brainwashed by the media's biased reports and we should be aware of that - doesn't matter if it's a news station or a Michael Moore.

And I think from what I've read in here so far, I have to be right when I say that it is absolutely necessary not to think in stereotypes...you seem to be quite smart and not like the media shows us the typical American. I even would say that people who listen to MJK's words and music and find something real in it, have to be very critical already. He really has the opportunity and responsibility to be critical and wake people up out of their ignorant attitude.

Well... I know that this post is quite long...sorry for that, I just wanted to point out my opinion...
greetz, N.