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Post by Halo on Jan 29, 2005 21:16:24 GMT -5
Okay, this is really tough. But.....if you absolutely had to pick which band Maynard stayed in and he absolutely could not be in both Tool and APC, which would you pick?
I'd have to say APC. I do love Tool's music. But I think APC's means more to me. Tool has some amazing lyrics of course. They bring out every emotion. Just reading some lyrics can bring tears just flowing.
Yet, if I had to choose one, it would be APC. I think a lot has to do with Maynards vocals in APC. They are different from Tool. More soaring and melodic. It's just beautiful beyond words. His voice is amazing no matter what, but it seems the APC songs bring it out much better.
Tool's other band members are great. Amazing musicians. But it seems like you can connect more with APC's members. If that makes sense.
Musically and lyrically, of course, both bands are great. But I still have to go with APC. Tool's shows leave you in absolute awe as does APC. But when it comes down to just the music alone......I would take APC over Tool if I had to choose. The music is just so damn beautiful.
Anyway....luckily we won't (I hope) have to choose. But that's my opinion, for what it's worth.
What's yours?
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Post by alienation on Jan 29, 2005 22:58:52 GMT -5
I think my vote would have to go for Tool. I see your point that APC's music is more melodic and beautiful, but to me Tool's music is deeper and more heartfelt. Perhaps Maynard has showcased his singing range better with APC, but I tend to think of it as he has just become freer and more comfortable with his voice as he's aged (I think this progression is visible in Tool as well). It is hard to pick one; his beautiful croon or his gut-wrenching screams. While I find his range with APC orgasmic, I couldn't do without the catharsis that Tool provides me.
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Post by Halo on Jan 29, 2005 23:08:40 GMT -5
Yea...those gut wrenching screams.... Although there are a few of them in APC. I have to agree with all your points (all very good ones, btw). I do agree that Maynard's vocal range may be more to do with age and experience, but I think he utilized it more in APC. Yes, you can see it in Tool, but not to the extent we have seen in APC. But who knows with the new Tool cd? Both APC and Tool are very cathartic for me. Just in different ways. Lately APC's songs have been the ones helping me, healing me the most.
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Post by alienation on Jan 29, 2005 23:13:21 GMT -5
I seem to fluctuate from one band to the other. For a while with lots happening in the world of APC & none in the world of Tool, I was listening to nothing but APC's live stuff. But, Tool seems more consistently to be my first choice. Perhaps it's just the prospect of seeing them live that is tipping the scales in their favor!!!!! I can't wait.
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Post by Halo on Jan 29, 2005 23:45:37 GMT -5
I can't wait for the new cd and tour either.
How lucky are we, as fans, to have both bands though!!
With the state of music today, I'm extremely thankful that APC and Tool both exist. Not to exclude any of the other band members, but since it is Maynard in both bands......I have to say, Maynard has given us so much and I will be forever grateful for what all he has given us. In both APC and Tool.
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Post by Nyarlathotep on Jan 30, 2005 9:54:06 GMT -5
I can't choose!!! Like Maynard himself said before, it's like trying to choose which of your two children is your favorite. I love them both for different reasons. I guess if Maynard could no longer be in both bands, I'd rather have him stay with TOOL because they have been around longer and seem like more of a family than A Perfect Circle. I think staying with TOOL would be better for him.
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Post by lilacJ on Feb 10, 2005 10:27:04 GMT -5
I can't choose!!! Like Maynard himself said before, it's like trying to choose which of your two children is your favorite. I love them both for different reasons. Ditto! I think alot of APC will come out in the new Tool album, which I'm SO looking forward to. Although they have said it will be heavier than the others. I have to say it was TOOL that got Maynards vocalisation pumping through my veins, so it's TOOL that I stick with till the end. ;D
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Post by voiceofgod on Feb 11, 2005 15:08:25 GMT -5
The first Maynard work I heard was Undertow so obviously Tool means alot to me, but I feel APC (minus Billy's singing on eMotive) means more just because almost every song is relatable to me. Each one can easily be pinned to a very specific moment in my life. But Tool's music also touches me very personal. They're both about even, but I'd have to say APC is a few notches ahead.
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Post by Halo on Feb 11, 2005 16:19:47 GMT -5
Tool means alot to me, but I feel APC (minus Billy's singing on eMotive) means more just because almost every song is relatable to me. Each one can easily be pinned to a very specific moment in my life. But Tool's music also touches me very personal. They're both about even, but I'd have to say APC is a few notches ahead. My thoughts exactly. A lot of Tool songs are very personal to me also. However, APC's songs have touched me like no music ever has. I've been in to music all my life and have some very favorites. Bowie's music was a lifesaver to me as a teenager. Reznor's music is so raw and honest it helps me get emotions out. Tool's music I definitely relate too. But APC, there is just something so special about that music. It takes me where no other music can.
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Post by lyndzie on Feb 12, 2005 1:34:42 GMT -5
I honestly don’t think I could choose. Tool and APC are just so amazing and beautiful. However I do view them very differently in the sense of vocal styles. With Tool (I am not saying this an any bad manner at all) Maynard’s voice doesn’t really stand out. As in standing out melodically. There are so many emotions coming out with the way he sings or screams in both bands, but I feel that with Tool he is using his voice just as that, a tool. It’s something that Tool wouldn’t be complete without. All those parts need to be there, the drums, the guitar, bass, and voice, etc... They accent each other. It’s sort of the same with A Perfect Circle, but you could take those aspects a part with them. Not that I necessarily want to, but there is that melody there in his voice and the music. Something that enables you to pick a part a song and make it either into something just instrumental or something you could sing acapella too. I just think it would be more difficult to take away a part of Tool. Like I said before, I wouldn’t want too with either band. Both hold a very personal place in my heart, the words, the music, the feelings... but they just stab me, and lure me in from different angles. That’s why I love them.
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Post by xxxxSTINKFISTxxxx on Feb 12, 2005 5:33:59 GMT -5
If i had to pick i would stick with Tool. Tool is when i first herd MJK and IMO thats at his best. I do agree that apc has some great vocals. Apc has some extreamly good songs that stick in your mind and inspire you; but, in apc the songs have a certain meaning, in tool every song was ment for each person to have there own story about it or way they here it. I also like tool for more of the yellling, apc has alot of soft sounding and some yelling i really enjoy but tool has mor of the angary maynard. Also not to rip on apc but i cant really stand how billy tries to be soo much like maynard it just gets a little anoying after a while
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Post by Halo on Feb 12, 2005 10:06:25 GMT -5
but, in apc the songs have a certain meaning, in tool every song was ment for each person to have there own story about it or way they here it. Also not to rip on apc but i cant really stand how billy tries to be soo much like maynard it just gets a little anoying after a while I think all of the songs, Tool or APC, have a certain meaning. I'm sure when writing Maynard has a meaning behind these songs that are personal to him. I understand though what you are saying, but although Tool lyrics are a more obscure, I don't think you can say that APC lyrics have a "certain meaning". I have heard many, many different interpretations of APC songs. The lyrics are still obscure enough to let the listener "feel" the song in their own way. Maybe APC songs seem clear to you what the meaning is. But I'd bet your interpretation of any APC song would probably differ from someone else's. Even if you really think you know what a song is about.....I don't think any of us really do. Take "3 Libras" for instance. I was floored when hearing Maynard on Amotion describe what it was really about. And I cannot let the statement about Billy go without questioning it. Why do you think Billy tries to act like Maynard?
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Post by xxxxSTINKFISTxxxx on Feb 13, 2005 1:56:23 GMT -5
well i didnt mean every apc song has a certain meaning, your right when saying that they all have there own personal meanings to someone. What i am trying to say is i think when maynard wrote the tool songs he wrote them specificaly for everyone to have there own thing to it. Apc yes he could of probly had the same intention i dont know its just my view on things but as far as i see he has these songs with a certain meaning to them, he explains them all on teh commentary. Its hard to explain but i just like the fact of not telling what the song is about and having to listen to the complex lyrics to figure things out. Of course even though i know what some of the apc songs are about i still have my own view on them.
The billy thing, if you look up on billy and look alot what he is about on the commentary, and some other views wich i dont feel comfortable saying because i dont like riping on anyones views or the band he seems to be to much like maynard. Its only my opinion though so plz dont take offense. on second thought ill just keep my mouth shut for a while lol
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Post by Halo on Feb 13, 2005 2:14:03 GMT -5
Don't you dare keep your mouth shut!! I like hearing your opinions. And sometimes I will counter them with my opinions. Sometimes we may not agree, but that's cool. If I ever come back with an opinion of my own toward an opinion of yours....please don't take it personal and don't think you should not voice your opinion. How else do people learn to understand each other, get to know each other if they don't have an exchange of ideas and opinions? If I question your ideas, it just means I want to understand them better. If I give an opinion that differs form yours.....it's just that, a different opinion. Don't ever feel that you cannot voice opinions here, okay? I'm still not getting the Billy thing though. And if you want to express it further, feel free. Or if you don't, that's cool too.
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Post by pethealer on Feb 13, 2005 16:56:17 GMT -5
"Take "3 Libras" for instance. I was floored when hearing Maynard on Amotion describe what it was really about."
Wasn't that something?! My interpretation of 3 Libras was soooo off it's not funny. But who could have ever thought he had known all these parasitic people who had a birthday around the same time? It's weird because I kind of liked my interpretation of the song better and hearing Maynard's interpretation kind of spoiled the song a little bit for me. I know that must sound obtuse coming from me considering Maynard's the one who wrote the song. It's just that sometimes I like it when the artist doesn't discuss the meaning of the song for that very reason - so you can interpret it however you like. A similar thing happened with the interpretation of Judith on Amotion. I mean I totally knew what the song was about but when Maynard started misquoting the Bible and incorrectly translated the meaning of Yahweh/Jehovah - it made me cringe. No offense but I wish I could just call him up and discuss it with him (yeah right - keep dreaming). I mean if I stated incorrect information I would want someone to tell me so I didn't keep perpetuating a false thought in my head. Oh well - sorry everyone - I wasn't trying to open up the whole can of worms known as religion.
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